After the Debate: ‘I Don’t Think Joe Biden Should Be Running’

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On the “Matter of Opinion” post-debate episode, hosts Ross Douthat and Michelle Cottle are joined by Ezra Klein, who says, “At some point Democrats have to decide if they want to try to win this election, or it is simply too uncomfortable for them to do anything but be on this train as it derails.”

Below is a lightly edited transcript of their conversation. To listen to this episode, click the play button below.

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Listen to Michelle Cottle, Ross Douthat and Ezra Klein debate what will follow the first presidential debate of 2024.

Michelle Cottle: It is currently 10:55 p.m. on the East Coast and we have convened to discuss the first — and possibly only — presidential debate of 2024. For this occasion, we are teaming up with someone whose voice you may recognize, columnist and host Ezra Klein. Welcome, Ezra.

Ezra Klein: It’s good to be here on the most cursed of all nights.

Ross Douthat: It’s so nice to be here with you, Ezra. Here at the end of all things.

Cottle: No, no. You’re getting ahead of ourselves. But I do want to get started here: First, give me some quick reactions and keep it non-panicked, please. How are you feeling after watching this very special debate?